Does One Sit Shiva for a Non-Observant Jew, Meshumad, Menuda?

Aveilus for a Non-Observant Jew, Meshumad, Menuda

I. Source of the Din- Mumrim Mamash

5A. שו"ע 345:5 – Any person who is poreish from darkei tzibbur, want to be considered like rest of the non-Jews, no aninus, no aveilus, wear white clothes and have simcha when they die.  Presumably, these are ppl who don’t want to have anything to do w/ Judaism.

B. רא"ש שו"ת 17:9 – Does one sit shiva for a meshumad? Says psak in Maseches Smachos is no.

C. Mordechai MK – Tell story of R’ Gershom who sat shiva for his son who went off the derech. 

            *But does that mean when he died or when he went off the derech?

            1. Hagahos Ashri – He sat shiva once the child went off the derech 14 days.

Meabeid Atzmo L'Daas (Person Who Commits Suicide)

Aveilus for a Meabeid Atzmo L’Daas (Person who Commits Suicide)

I. Source of Issur to Commit Suicide

A. Noach 9:5 – הקב"ה will be doreish the dam of ppl. 

            1. רש"י- Even though I allowed you to kill animals I will take care of you if you kill yourself.  (Radbaz has famous teshuva where he discusses that one is not a baalim on his body)

B. Gm BK 91b – Gm wants to learn out that even being chovel in oneself is אסור and quotes this pasuk, and says well that’s about killing oneself, maybe chavala is different, but for sure the issur from here is to kill oneself.

            1. רמ' Rotzeiach 2:3 – Quotes this issur as well.  But not part of lo sirtzach.

            2. Minchas Chinuch 34 – There is no din misas bd, only misa bidei shamayim, and נ"מ is in terms of kim lei b’diraba minei, b/c only say kim lei by misas bd, so if was shibeir keilim (yorshim) would be chayav to pay for them.